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Dry Ice!! It rocks. I brought 2 coolers last year, Coleman 5 day. In one I put 1 five lb. block of ice broken in two with a couple of good size chunks of dry ice in between them. Probably 5-7 lbs. then I put everything I wanted frozen on top of it. In my second cooler I did the same but with about half the dry ice. I put everything else I needed to keep chilled in there. If anything it was a bit too cold for some things on the bottom. But I pack everything in airtight sealable plastic containers to prevent gray water spoilage (makes for cleaner shower water later). The mid-size rectangular ones work well as you can stack them.
Up here, Safeway sells dry ice, but good fish markets should have it, too
anyway, I filled up my coolers in Eugene, Oregon on Saturday afternoon before leaving town (spent a day and a half in Ashland, with the coolers in the car, before driving into BRC on Monday night) and didn't buy more ice until Wednesday. and when I got back home I could have made a small snowman with what I spilled out of the 2 coolers. so while the dry ice was a bit more of an investment, what it saved me in time and $$ on the playa was significant. And of course I brought way too much fod. I ate a piece of salmon I bought frozen at Trader Joes a couple of days after returning and it was great.
This year I'm planning on doing the Cook - Freeze- Thaw & reheat. Just got a seal-a-meal with a vacuum seal. What I'm wondering is can you, should you, boil in the pouch or just reheat in a pan?
Up here, Safeway sells dry ice, but good fish markets should have it, too
anyway, I filled up my coolers in Eugene, Oregon on Saturday afternoon before leaving town (spent a day and a half in Ashland, with the coolers in the car, before driving into BRC on Monday night) and didn't buy more ice until Wednesday. and when I got back home I could have made a small snowman with what I spilled out of the 2 coolers. so while the dry ice was a bit more of an investment, what it saved me in time and $$ on the playa was significant. And of course I brought way too much fod. I ate a piece of salmon I bought frozen at Trader Joes a couple of days after returning and it was great.
This year I'm planning on doing the Cook - Freeze- Thaw & reheat. Just got a seal-a-meal with a vacuum seal. What I'm wondering is can you, should you, boil in the pouch or just reheat in a pan?
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Re: A great Ice chest trick I learned last year
Tue, August 5, 2008 - 10:35 AMI can attest to the dry ice phenom. We've been doing this for a few years - freeze rock solid your meats and other frozen goodies. Lay them in an Extreme cooler and then top with dry ice. Close it. Duck tape it. Hide it. Open it once a day to pull out what you need and then shut it again. Everything stays fine for about 5 days until the dry ice evaporates and then you need to use blocks. Put everything else you need in another cooler...
As for the re-heating seal-a-meal stuff, I'm not a big fan of cooking anything I intend to eat in plastic - just doesn't sound like a good idea. So I would heat in the pot. Use a non-stick - they're really easy to clean!
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Re: A great Ice chest trick I learned last year
Tue, August 5, 2008 - 10:37 AMThe other ice chest trick (and maybe this would help with those sucky coolers) - we line ours with one of those silver "space" blankets. For whatever reason it keeps it insulated just a bit more and stays a little longer. And don't forget to get 'em up off the ground! Pallets, even spare tires, somethin'!
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Re: A great Ice chest trick I learned last year
Tue, August 5, 2008 - 5:39 PMone other thing to do is keep the cooler elevated off the playa using 2x4's.
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Re: A great Ice chest trick I learned last year
Wed, August 6, 2008 - 8:34 AMI did something similar using Reflectix. Worked really well no gluing, just fits right in. Did the same for the custom cooler on the back of my trike.
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Wed, August 6, 2008 - 11:58 PMWhere did you get it at Home Depot? -
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Thu, August 7, 2008 - 7:59 AMYeah, I got the smallest roll and it was very inexpensive.
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Re: A great Ice chest trick I learned last year
Mon, September 14, 2009 - 2:50 PMI don't know what we did wrong then. We got alot of dry ice, split it up into 2 coolers and only opened one maybe a couple of times a day. The ice just did not last, past Wednesday (we got there Tues am)....We had to buy ice 2x which isn't horrible but....we really thought it would be there by the end of the week from reading these posts.....anyway live and learn!
Next year we could have a different system altogether which would make bringing dry ice unnecessary.
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Re: A great Ice chest trick I learned last year
Tue, August 5, 2008 - 9:26 PMmore tips:
put things for the second half of the week in a different cooler. duct tape it SHUT until you're ready to use it. (maybe a list on top, outside, so you know what's in it.) the worst thing is to have people opening and closing coolers looking for something. every time they open, the temp in the cooler drops a degree or two. keep the cold in and the hot out.
use a different cooler for your beer and drinks. that way you're not opening and closing the food cooler.
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Sun, August 10, 2008 - 4:13 PMAlso, I've read that the dry ice gives off gases and needs to vent. I was planning to duct tape shut until I read that it does that, so I wont, and will also leave open the little drain. Not worried about liq. leaking out as everything else will be in containers/bags.
Also wrapping with reflectix.
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Re: A great Ice chest trick I learned last year
Tue, August 12, 2008 - 3:02 PMYou really only need to worry about the dry ice gases hurting you if you open it in an enclosed space. If it's outside or in a tent, you'll be just fine. Mostly we use the duct tape to keep people from opening it accidentally. -
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Mon, August 3, 2009 - 9:28 PMYour car is an enclosed space. There's a long story about that on the eplaya dry ice thread. Yes, it can kill you, or make you pass out and then the car crash will kill you. Be careful please and don't have your AC on recirculated air.
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Re: A great Ice chest trick I learned last year
Thu, August 14, 2008 - 12:17 PMYou can totally reheat in the pouch. It doesn't affect the taste of your food, the packaging says it is safe and it leaves you with much less mess to clean up. My camp did this last year and it was amazing. You can put the whole bag in boiling water or an RV microwave. Easy, fast and clean.
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Tue, August 19, 2008 - 10:12 AM
"It doesn't affect the taste of your food" true, I tested that
"the packaging says it is safe" Just because it says on the package? No, I don't believe it
Anyway, we are very lazy and my family eats ready cooked, then frozen and vacuum sealed meals cold or luke warm right out of the package. no plates or pots to wash.
If we want it warm, not hot, we put it on the dashboard of the car for an hour before eating. Alas, we usually don't plan that far ahead.
One more tip to add to the cooler ideas: We put our deepfreeze off the playa and in addition to the taping we wrap it in a blanket
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Re: A great Ice chest trick I learned last year
Fri, September 12, 2008 - 8:02 AMOne more trick (from someone who can't STAND cooler tradge - dripped juices floating around your food etc). One you get to the point where you're going to have to rely on ice and are therefore vulnerable to stuff leaking, take your stuff & store it in lock & lock plasticware. Before we left for the playa I bought a few different sizes of this stuff; its got a waterproof seal & "locks" on all 4 sides. To test, I took a slice of bread, submersed it in a cooler full of water with 2 bricks on top to keep it from floating. The bread was still bone dry 2 days later.
I'm afraid of dry ice; I've seen too many instances of incorrect use & ruined food. However, if you can just keep the water OUT of your stuff, Arctica Ice can be very user friendly.
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Fri, January 9, 2009 - 11:10 PMDual Wireless Digital Thermometer with Alarm
Wow that is such a great idea. No more guessing about cooler temperatures. Camps that get temporary food permits should consider it money well spent ($21). One for the ice cooler and one for a deep freeze dry ice cooler . . . nice
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Good advice from the Nevada Bureau of Health Protection Services
NAC 446.640 Ice. (NRS 439.150, 439.200, 446.865, 446.940) Ice which is intended for human consumption or which will come in contact with food or be used as a source of refrigeration must be obtained from an approved source. Ice intended for use in beverages must be manufactured in a chipped, crushed or cubed form. The ice must be obtained in plastic bags which are designed for a single use and are filled and sealed at the point of manufacture. The ice must remain in the bag until dispensed in a way that protects it from contamination.
NAC 446.045 Substantial health hazards. (NRS 439.150, 439.200, 446.940) Substantial health hazards include, but are not limited to, the following circumstances:
Potentially hazardous food is held longer than necessary for preparation or service at an ambient temperature which is greater than 40°F (4.44°C) or less than 140°F (60°C) or under any other condition capable of supporting the rapid growth of bacteria.
NAC 446.095 Storage of potentially hazardous food. (NRS 439.150, 439.200, 446.940) Except as otherwise provided in this chapter, potentially hazardous food must be stored at a temperature of 40°F (4.44°C) or below or 140°F (60°C) or above.
NAC 446.115 Refrigerated storage. (NRS 439.150, 439.200, 446.940)
1. There must be adequate facilities for refrigeration at a food establishment, which are conveniently located, to ensure that potentially hazardous food can be stored at the required temperature.
2. Each refrigerated facility used to store potentially hazardous food must have at least one integral or permanently affixed indicating thermometer which is numerically scaled or a recording thermometer, accurate to plus or minus 2°F (1°C), located in the warmest part of the facility where it can be easily read.
3. Potentially hazardous food which requires refrigeration after its preparation must be rapidly cooled to an internal temperature of 40°F (4.44°C) or below and then stored at or below that temperature.
4. Large quantities of potentially hazardous food must be rapidly cooled utilizing such methods as shallow pans, dividing the food into smaller or thinner portions, agitation, quick chilling, adding ice as an ingredient or the circulation of water external to the container of food so that the period of cooling from 140°F (60°C) to 70°F (21°C) does not exceed 2 hours and from 70°F (21°C) to 40°F (4.44°C) does not exceed 4 hours.
5. Frozen food must be kept frozen and stored at a temperature of 0°F (-18°C) or below.
6. Ice may not be used as a food product after it has been used to cool the exterior of cooling coils, tubes of equipment or food, including packaged foods.
www.leg.state.nv.us/NAC/NAC-...446Sec045
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Bureau of Health Protection Services, Temporary Food Establishment Permit
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Nevada State Health Division have been inspecting the Cafe and other
theme camps that have large kitchens or gift food on the playa to make
sure you stay healthy on the playa. They also explore the event looking for
kitchens to inspect and to give advice. Their goal is prevent problems
so if you see them thank them and take their advice on food handling
safety... they know their stuff!
health.nv.gov/index.php
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Re: A great Ice chest trick I learned last year
Sat, April 4, 2009 - 12:09 AMWell, yes and no. I've used wireless thermometers in my coolers at BM for two years. Be aware that alkaline batteries don't work well around 0F. Lithium batteries will work down to maybe -40F. Dry ice can potentially take your cooler down toward -100F. Assuming the thermometer will even register a temperature that low, if the battery poops out in the remote sensor, you get no reading.
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Sat, April 4, 2009 - 12:15 AMGot my Cs and Fs confused. Alkaline batteries don't work well in the 30Fs.
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Re: A great Ice chest trick I learned last year
Mon, August 3, 2009 - 5:30 PMI always reheat in an appropriate cooking vessel. Hot plastic is no bueno...